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PostSubject: Expansion of KingIsaac   Mon Nov 01, 2010 5:09 am

"Now that we can't have Rasvidi's islands, we need to invade an island. An island that has resources that will help us" Queen Jeny said

"Your Majesty, the PLOT 10 has Uranium. We can use that Uranium to build more military weapons." Secretary of Defense said.

"Well then, send forces to PLOT 10" Queen said before she left

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The Royal Nation of KingIsaac sent 400,000 soldiers, 20 tanks, 5 cruisers and 100 priests to the PLOT 10. 1,000 soldiers of KingIsaac died, and 8,000 people residing in the PLOT 10 was killed. The remaining 20,000 people residing in the PLOT 10, willfully pledge allegiance to the Queen and allowed the priests to baptized them.

Queen Jeny named the island "Roman City".
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PostSubject: Re: Expansion of KingIsaac   Mon Nov 01, 2010 5:49 am

[[OOC - I declare fantasy. KingIssac has no rights to this claim due to following reasons:

1. KingIssac's RP is in clear violation of autoplay. It is common courtesy to allow other nations to interfere.

2. The territory expansion bill is in process, and currently all claims are postponed. So you would have to wait either case.

3. KingIssac did not read the posts before posting this. Otherwise KI would have known that Hijima already has forces in Plot10 at the moment.

4. KingIssac's country is currently fighting a plague. There is no way that a country in such condition can muster a force fir an aggression. There isn't enough money or manpower to do so. Therefore, the soldier figures and war itself seems invalid.


If KingIssac does not heed these complaints, then I can certainly RP an act of war against KingIssac to give this land to more suitable person, like Isis and Hijima, who have been following due process to obtain Plot 10. ( and I cannot believe I'm saying this, but especially hijima)]]

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PostSubject: Re: Expansion of KingIsaac   Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:04 am

[OCC] Well Ocscaliantine if Tony was up he would love you right about now for saying that so he didn’t have to, lol. And yes KI we have been working our asses off literally to get plot ten. [OCC]
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PostSubject: Re: Expansion of KingIsaac   Mon Nov 01, 2010 12:09 pm

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[[OOC - I declare fantasy. KingIssac has no rights to this claim due to following reasons:

1. KingIssac's RP is in clear violation of autoplay. It is common courtesy to allow other nations to interfere.

2. The territory expansion bill is in process, and currently all claims are postponed. So you would have to wait either case.

3. KingIssac did not read the posts before posting this. Otherwise KI would have known that Hijima already has forces in Plot10 at the moment.

4. KingIssac's country is currently fighting a plague. There is no way that a country in such condition can muster a force fir an aggression. There isn't enough money or manpower to do so. Therefore, the soldier figures and war itself seems invalid.


If KingIssac does not heed these complaints, then I can certainly RP an act of war against KingIssac to give this land to more suitable person, like Isis and Hijima, who have been following due process to obtain Plot 10. ( and I cannot believe I'm saying this, but especially hijima)]]
[1. No nation controls this land. He can easily capture it.
2. The cartography will wait. This does not matter.
3. Hijjma has left the RP. His lands are vacant.
4. The plague has only affected two cities. The overwhelming majority of his nation is up and running. Also, his manpower and wealth is very comparable to your own. Both of you may expand.

The figures and war itself are valid. The SOC will back me up on this.]

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PostSubject: Re: Expansion of KingIsaac   Mon Nov 01, 2010 12:44 pm

[[I understand that hijima has left and the bill has now passed. My post was before reading those threads.

But the figures, I'm afraid, are not valid. Sure you can theoretically dispatch an army... But why will you? In fact who wages war when there is plague on the lose? And keep in mind that these cities are major epicenter for KI... And when cities are infected, in all reality the plague spreads everywhere in the country. And also keep in mind that the sheer capital spent on relief efforts will make KI's assets go under. You have to pay for medication, refugee camps, supplies... Etc. This added with the fact that these two cities... Btw, cities pay most taxes in any country... Are unable to function and thus cannot pay taxes or produce goods, KI's economy is messed up. How in the world will you fund an aggressive warfare?

And I am just appalled at how RPers don't even think about the people in the country. They have needs. And media will go heyday over you if you don't satisfy the people, and you face chaos and anarchy... So yes, the numbers are figuratively valid, but in realistic sense they are not... Well, unless KI wants to be facing severe depression and political ubrest for a few years...]]

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PostSubject: Re: Expansion of KingIsaac   Mon Nov 01, 2010 6:16 pm

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[[I understand that hijima has left and the bill has now passed. My post was before reading those threads.

But the figures, I'm afraid, are not valid. Sure you can theoretically dispatch an army... But why will you? In fact who wages war when there is plague on the lose? And keep in mind that these cities are major epicenter for KI... And when cities are infected, in all reality the plague spreads everywhere in the country. And also keep in mind that the sheer capital spent on relief efforts will make KI's assets go under. You have to pay for medication, refugee camps, supplies... Etc. This added with the fact that these two cities... Btw, cities pay most taxes in any country... Are unable to function and thus cannot pay taxes or produce goods, KI's economy is messed up. How in the world will you fund an aggressive warfare?

And I am just appalled at how RPers don't even think about the people in the country. They have needs. And media will go heyday over you if you don't satisfy the people, and you face chaos and anarchy... So yes, the numbers are figuratively valid, but in realistic sense they are not... Well, unless KI wants to be facing severe depression and political ubrest for a few years...]]

[Let's review.

The disease is extraordinarily deadly. Let's assume 80% of cases result in death. Let's also assume the disease has quadrupled in infected hosts in KI.
4[.5/.8] = 1.25(2) = 2.5 million infected

What percent of the population is that?
250/162.3 = 1.54%

OK. That's bad but not anywhere near the levels of the plagues of history. This also assumes a incredibly high rate of expansion. I believe it would be extremely reasonable to RP a recession, perhaps a major recession. Nonetheless, all the aspects of government, business, and society will continue running (including the military).]

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PostSubject: Re: Expansion of KingIsaac   Mon Nov 01, 2010 6:21 pm

So you use your resources to expand instead on citizens stricken with the disease? I hope a meteor hits your country. Speaking of which...
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PostSubject: Re: Expansion of KingIsaac   Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:31 pm

[[Thank you Oh so much Civa!!! you are a sight in sore eyes!

I completely and totally agree with Civa. Except the meteor part. EEE, you AND KI needs to respect the will of the people and will of free press... if you have free press.

Again, THEORETICALLY you are right.... there are enough money. But IN REALITY, you don't have enough to go to war to claim territories. You do NOT want to declare war when you have a disease striking the country.

Do you guys honestly understand what it takes to run a country? Please... please... this isn't Civ.4. This is Diplomatic RP. You have to care about the population... you have to be more realistic. Please, EEE, KI, understand that I got nothing against your expansions. I want to make this RP good. So please.... please.... be more realistic. You don't go to war during a plague.]]

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PostSubject: Re: Expansion of KingIsaac   Mon Nov 01, 2010 10:09 pm

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[[Thank you Oh so much Civa!!! you are a sight in sore eyes!

I completely and totally agree with Civa. Except the meteor part. EEE, you AND KI needs to respect the will of the people and will of free press... if you have free press.

Again, THEORETICALLY you are right.... there are enough money. But IN REALITY, you don't have enough to go to war to claim territories. You do NOT want to declare war when you have a disease striking the country.

Do you guys honestly understand what it takes to run a country? Please... please... this isn't Civ.4. This is Diplomatic RP. You have to care about the population... you have to be more realistic. Please, EEE, KI, understand that I got nothing against your expansions. I want to make this RP good. So please.... please.... be more realistic. You don't go to war during a plague.]]

You must understand that we only allow your doctors to enter in 2 cities because in other cities, 5,000 doctors are being deployed and the situation is under control. Besides, if a city is stricken by a disease, it will be automatically put in quarantine. You must also understand that because of our military budget there are sufficient doctors to heal all soldiers affected by the disease.
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PostSubject: Re: Expansion of KingIsaac   Mon Nov 01, 2010 10:16 pm

(OOC: I will say what I told Osca via telegram.

I do not like this move at all. The glaring issue of a dying population and an uncaring government stands at the forefront of this issue.

In RP, people always look at their map and say, hey! I can expand! I'm legally allowed to because I only have (0-1) expansions and I'm allowed (1-2) more! However, they take no heed of the realism that RP needs to convey. Just because your finances say you have $12 trillion to spend, that doesn't mean you have it there ALL the time. Money is spent. Money decreases. The same goes with population. KingIsaac, your population is being ravaged by a deadly plague that has killed millions. You are LOSING population for the sake of RP. While losing population doesn't necessarily detract from your plans to expand, it is something to consider. You have a plague running rampant. You should be diverting tons of money and tons of personnel to curing this plague and not worrying about a plot just to get your hands on Uranium. From an RP standpoint (and nothing against you IRL), that would make me question the moral judgement of your government.

I think the biggest issue is that people just assume money is infinite and so are people.

With Hijjma's departure, Plot 10 is free to be expanded upon. KingIsaac has the right to expand and the realistic resources necessary to expand, despite the plague. Is it a terrible idea? Given his current plight, absolutely. Do I agree with it? With plague? No. Without plague? Have at it.

All that said, it IS possible and I will have to OK it.

But really... I feel bad for the citizens.)

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PostSubject: Re: Expansion of KingIsaac   Mon Nov 01, 2010 10:16 pm

Oscalantine who is Mad wrote:
[[KingIssac... please... can't you see that you are...

You know what? Forget it. I am sick and tired of this unrealism. It has been tolerated too much. And I cannot began to comprehend how this is....

I gotta respect Ras's wishes, and not attack people.

But let me tell you this... WHEN, in the history of EVER, did a STABLE HUMAN GOVERNMENT declare war with a plague on the lose? Not during 100 years war... they actually made peace, AND THEY HATE EACH OTHER!!!

You guys are thinking of citizens as nothing more than resources... no worse, because you don't keep them alive. Under control?! Do you see billions of dollars being used in quarantine plus doctors plus sanitation plus supply plus clean water plus food plus refugee camp plus hospital UNDER CONTROL?!

I.... So... want to... keep this going. But alas, Ras told me that I shouldn't attack people, and I'll try my best to not to do so. Please, go right ahead and mess up the RP for everyone else as well as yourself. I shall sit back, and have a guilty conscious that what I just did was the ruin and beginning of the end for the great roleplay realm of Tiberiam.]]

[[OOC - After seeing and analyzing calmly... without.... my.... preferences....

You have the right. YOU DO NOT HAVE THE SITUATION UNDER CONTROL, but you can claim the territory. I just hate you for it. And you know what? I can live with that.

KI, I hope this would be the last time I disagree with you. RP is supposed to be fun. It is supposed to be exciting and realistic... the idea of running a country... war, sure. But more of politics and strategy. Being unrealistic ruins the fun for everyone. Plagued land taking a country is... well, going to make things worse.

But SoC has spoken, and I, too, agree. He is right, and I hate myself for it, but you have the right to take plot 10. You abuse the law, though. I'll be keeping an eye on you, dude. I'll be keeping an eye on you...

But regardless, I have to apologize. I'm sorry that I overreacted. It wasn't my place to speak like this. You should know what is best for your country, and I should think that you know what you are doing. You are absolutely just in your claims, and although I do not support it, I have no rights to deny the claim. Please... have fun, and good RPing!!!]]

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PostSubject: Re: Expansion of KingIsaac   Mon Nov 01, 2010 11:31 pm

[lol. I will declare war forever without surrender whatever happens on whoever take the chance of getting the PLOT 10 while my nation is not yet "stable"]
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PostSubject: Re: Expansion of KingIsaac   Mon Nov 01, 2010 11:33 pm

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[[Thank you Oh so much Civa!!! you are a sight in sore eyes!

I completely and totally agree with Civa. Except the meteor part. EEE, you AND KI needs to respect the will of the people and will of free press... if you have free press.

Again, THEORETICALLY you are right.... there are enough money. But IN REALITY, you don't have enough to go to war to claim territories. You do NOT want to declare war when you have a disease striking the country.

Do you guys honestly understand what it takes to run a country? Please... please... this isn't Civ.4. This is Diplomatic RP. You have to care about the population... you have to be more realistic. Please, EEE, KI, understand that I got nothing against your expansions. I want to make this RP good. So please.... please.... be more realistic. You don't go to war during a plague.]]
[I am not advocating KI's policies. I simply believe they are within the realm of reality and should therefore be respected.
As for media, my nation's press is likely much freer than yours.]

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PostSubject: Re: Expansion of KingIsaac   Tue Nov 02, 2010 2:15 pm

[Girls, girls! Calm down! Razz]

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PostSubject: Re: Expansion of KingIsaac   Tue Nov 02, 2010 6:19 pm

[Actually, I just went through our memberlist. Of the top 10 posters, everyone is male with the exceptions of Hijjma and KI, whose accounts are shared (and in turmoil). Not a lot of gender diversity here. Razz]

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PostSubject: Re: Expansion of KingIsaac   Tue Nov 02, 2010 6:26 pm

(OOC: Am I the only one here that had no clue KI and Hij were female? Well, 1/3rd of Hij was female. Shocking revelation to me.)

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PostSubject: Re: Expansion of KingIsaac   Tue Nov 02, 2010 6:43 pm

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(OOC: Am I the only one here that had no clue KI and Hij were female? Well, 1/3rd of Hij was female. Shocking revelation to me.)
[And half of KI]

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PostSubject: Re: Expansion of KingIsaac   Tue Nov 02, 2010 9:31 pm

[[I have hard time grasping that KI and HJ is a hivemind, not an individual!!!]]

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PostSubject: Re: Expansion of KingIsaac   Tue Nov 02, 2010 10:56 pm

[hey. What do you mean that I'm not a male? I have a girlfriend!]
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PostSubject: Re: Expansion of KingIsaac   Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:07 pm

How does the fact that you have a girlfriend make you a male?
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PostSubject: Re: Expansion of KingIsaac   Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:10 pm

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[hey. What do you mean that I'm not a male? I have a girlfriend!]
[I thought both you AND your girlfriend controlled KI. Did I misinterpret this?]

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PostSubject: Re: Expansion of KingIsaac   Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:10 pm

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How does the fact that you have a girlfriend make you a male?
[We're Catholics. Razz]

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PostSubject: Re: Expansion of KingIsaac   Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:37 pm

Catholicism=Child molestation. Your priests gotta get some lovin'.
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PostSubject: Re: Expansion of KingIsaac   Wed Nov 03, 2010 4:55 am

MFA of Edo Edi Essum wrote:
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[hey. What do you mean that I'm not a male? I have a girlfriend!]
[I thought both you AND your girlfriend controlled KI. Did I misinterpret this?]

[I guess it's me who misinterpret this]
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