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PostSubject: Oscalantine Godmoding??? [Situation Closed]   Sun Nov 21, 2010 12:48 pm

Secretary of Culture's FINAL VERDICT

Oscalantine was found to be NOT Godmoding.

SoC, however, strongly advises the RP population to continue to watch Oscalantine for suspicious activity.






MFA of Edo Edi Essum wrote:
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[[Erm... Grace... Oscal doesn't have space program worth mentioning. Rather, they have the world's leading Information Technology, which is, although included in space technology, very different.

You know, we specialize in computer, internet, communication, programs, etc. We don't have a decent space program, which requires years of foundation start. Keep in mind that Oscal wasn't official until recently.]]
[I would complain to the SoC about this, but it probably wouldn't get anywhere.

What gives Oscalantine the right to claim the most advanced... everything? Your claims are somewhat like:

Oh, we make weapons, lot of them! Therefore, our weapons are the most advanced in every field: rifles, ammunition, tanks, planes, UAVs, you name it! Also, we have an IT industry, a big one! Therefore, our information technology eclipses all of you simpletons.

Now, it's one thing for me to claim to be the most pious nation. We're pretty damn faithful, and nobody wants to dispute that claim. (I'm surrounded by secularists.) It's also reasonable to claim that Rasvidi has the greatest rubber production, EEE has the greatest oil propduction, and Civa-Orchestra has the greatest copper production. The maps support these claims.

But for not-resourced-based industries, we should be able to dispute claims, all claims.

Grace said he had the most eco-friendly nation. Although I do not doubt the environmental commitment of your nation, your claim is highly debatable. All EEE citizens live in large communal habitations. Production of everything is shared; all waste materials are recycled. 70% of electrical production is nuclear; the rest is greenpeacy. I believe EEE would act as real competition to that claim.

Pretty much what I mean, Osc, if you have been god-modding. Saying all my industries iz better than yourz is in the same category as i hackz your nukez and you blowz up youself. To be a good RPer, you must admit weaknesses. Hijjma understood this. Despite the quality of your RP, you seem not to.

I will use EEE as my example, since I understand it so well. We are very pious, have a huge agricultural surplus, and excel at education and mass-production. These major advantages are countered by major disadvantages. Our military is second-rate; in general, most of our technology is far from cutting edge. Those are our major disadvantages. (For the sake of brevity, I will ignore the pros and cons of communism.)

Admit weaknesses, Osc. Nobody likes RPing with someone who claims to be superior in every field. Also, we need some way to resolve these disputes. Somebody needs to be #1, but everyone can not.

For starters, I am fairly certain the rest of us are less than willing to be left in the dark ages regarding IT.]




The field has been set... go wild guys... I am really upset about public humiliation, but I believe that it should be addressed.





MY CLAIMS

[[Almost direct copy paste of what I sent to EEE via TG. Some of the elements have been deleted due to exposing private information. Other than that... my point.]]
[[Also... I am rather upset about destruction of my dignity, so I may have said some rash words. I apologized to E already and I shall apologize to every reader now.]]


E, have you been I crossed you? You just jumped the gun trying to destroy me. If you have problems with me saying no to everything, please just tell me… don’t rant thousand word essay on Ras’s thread.

But this is a serious issue that you have raised. You believe that I am godmoding. And this is my one peeve… or piss-off factor. I hate godmoding than anything else. It unbalances the RP. And I shall address this as I would with any nation. I shall look at this from the my standpoint of SoC, and give you feedbacks. However, keep in mind that I am not perfect. If you believe that I have done something wrong or you are still unsatisfied, tell a third party to investigate my godmoding for me. I shall be happy to comply, give my own reasoning, and abide by the verdict of the masses.

Okay, that said and done… let’s get analyzing.

You said that I have crossed the line when I said I have advanced… everything. All I can say is that WHERE IN THE BLAZES DID I MENTION THAT? I did not claim that I have everything awesome. This is not a Civ5 and I have not advanced my civilization to Future Era. If you are looking at…. The post that I did with Grace… look, all I can say is to read the posts carefully. Malabians are primitive individuals. They have spears and sticks. Oscal… actually it was just any random corporation… gave them guns in exchange for resources. That’s it. These guns are no better than yours. In fact, probably the best one in this field is Ras. I have not claimed the title for epic weapons.

And E, please note that UAV is being used in modern era. Please read the news. We have them. They are not futuristic. I’ll leave it at that for the moment, as I need to explain my case for IT before arguing any further.

So we squared off guns… UAVS are modern… oh thermal lasers.

Okay, you can ask Isis, but when I first joined the Tiberiam, I asked Isis for three things: Thermal Laser, Automated Machineries, and Nuclear Fusion Power. He said that Fusion was still a prototype, and wouldn’t approve it. I agreed. The crap was too future for me to use. Thermal Laser? US military has it. They are being installed in the latest naval vessels. Automated Machineries? The only reason that we do not use them is because it is cheaper to use labor. Drones such as UAVS are also being used in modern era. He approved it. Those two were approved before Isis left when Isis was SoC. I decided, though, that I needed to take time to make sure that my inventions were realistic. I could have started with them either way.

Oh and you mentioned why I am IT superpower. Look at my National Report. My major industry IS Information Technology. I made my government that way. I have always had IT as my strongest industry. Grace as Book Publishing… Ras as Arms Manufacturing… you name it. I said that I am IT superpower because I have backups using NS economy. And I never mentioned anything about everyone else being in the Dark Ages. We have better, doesn’t mean that we can control mech.

I admit that I have been abusing my power with IT. This is because I believe that it is THE advantage that my nation has to everyone else. My country is focused on IT. We crave it, our population is devoted to it, heck, we have military division that is devoted to its usage. My country is devoted to IT, and we reap its benefits… like having good computers, have a working cyber division, and we have advanced UAVS. That’s it. So far, I haven’t been reaching the status of Godmode. Godmode in my eyes would be having ten cyber superdivision going into your country whenever there is war and destroying all your assets, making all your nukes detonate in your country, and ruin the country from the inside. And as you know from my roleplay, I have been very limited.



I believe that your claims about my power are all justified. However, this does leave weakness. E, have you SEEN my RPs? Read them? Studied them? Read into the details? Been looking at my policies? I do have weaknesses. If I must spell it out, the MAJOR… and I mean THE MAJOR flaws in my country is media and holes in the army. One media field day will get my country to retreat because we don’t like our stock being destroyed. And look at our airforce, man. We have like… 20 fighters. Our head of airforce is MISSING, and in our history, we blew up all the airforce bases. Yeah, you can see why we have so many UAVS. We are not trying to tech up to future era, we are in the act of desperation to fill the holes of human aces with our IT superiority.

And look, I don’t even have to tell you this. E, you have called a good point that everyone needs a weakness. And to be honest, I believe that everyone in the RP knows that and has worked that out. However, the point of the diplomacy, which this RP really is, is about FINDING OUT about the weakness of your enemies. You cannot find them? Try harder. There is ALWAYS one around. You don’t call “GODMODE” on something that is so basic about Diplomacy. China doesn’t show their “weakness” factsheet to the world. In fact, most countries try to make up for their weakness by advertising their strength heavily. That is what EVERYONE is doing. Just because you cannot find them, you don’t go around and say Godmode. In fact, you have ruined the RP experience that I would have now, because you always know that whenever Oscal is in conflict with you, you will just say “media,” and as my country’s limitations, I have to scream like a girl and leave.

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Last edited by Oscalantine on Sat Dec 11, 2010 7:16 am; edited 2 times in total (Reason for editing : Case Closed. Verdict: not so, but better watch out.)
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PostSubject: Re: Oscalantine Godmoding??? [Situation Closed]   Sun Nov 21, 2010 1:40 pm

My view? It may be a bit like godmoding, but you don't have a military.

Advanced weapons won't help you there Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Oscalantine Godmoding??? [Situation Closed]   Sun Nov 21, 2010 1:42 pm

I wouldn't say you have been god modding. However to be fair it does seem like when you are RPing it seems as though you do seem to have the answer for everything people bring at you. To use some examples from our current RP: I launch missiles you hack and make it so half of them don't impact giving the Malabians time to retreat into the safety of the caves. I jam your ships comms and you have some magial system that can't be jammed. I use UAVs and you hack them ALL to send back false images.

I think you're a good Rper and you have not been god modding in any way. What you have been doing isn't god modding. Here's the deal though, I think it often annoys people how you RP like your countries weapons and technology is leaps ahead of everyone else and can't be matched. Obviously I don't expect you to be completely devastated by every attack but at least act as though it has some impact and your not in 2050 while everyone else is in 2010.

Bottom line: God modding, no, maybe stretching what is possible in current times, yes. All in all I think you are great RPer and all I would say is to maybe back down on the advanced tech a bit, that's all.

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PostSubject: Re: Oscalantine Godmoding??? [Situation Closed]   Sun Nov 21, 2010 1:53 pm

I think it's realistic to expect some measure of advance from such a large economy; it's larger then my own, after all. Besides that, the entire country is run by a corporation. There would be a constant flow of product research and such, probably more of an emphasis then in other countries.

Also just realized that Oscalantine does indeed have a military, which is even better funded then mine, almost double. His defence budget is 1.4 trillion, mine is 800 billion. I should start putting more effort back into my economy; right now it's only All-Consuming.

EDIT: It's also worth noting that nations who obtain this technology VIA trade or more nefarious means, can reverse-engineer the technology and not only produce it themselves but potentially improve it. This happens in the real world, including weapons technology.

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PostSubject: Re: Oscalantine Godmoding??? [Situation Closed]   Sun Nov 21, 2010 2:32 pm

OK, my rant was crossing the line.

Your weapons are very good, but you were not unreasonable. Your mTC was just a corporation advertising their product as the top of the line (even if they are not Razz). All your RP claims were reasonable; I misinterpreted.

As for IT, you deserve to have a single (non-resource-based) industry of unquestioned superiority. I think we should establish an OOC thread for that. Actually, I will do so right now.

To summarize, I apologize for my rant; it was unnecessary and frivolous. (But I do appreciate your long TGs. I have never experienced a RPer with such dedication.)

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PostSubject: Re: Oscalantine Godmoding??? [Situation Closed]   Sun Nov 21, 2010 2:34 pm

Oh, I also voted NO on the poll.

Osc, you never answered my friendly question. How did you become so proficient at English? Your English is superb.

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PostSubject: Re: Oscalantine Godmoding??? [Situation Closed]   Sun Nov 21, 2010 2:38 pm

Is there a "I don't give a damn" option?
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PostSubject: Re: Oscalantine Godmoding??? [Situation Closed]   Sun Nov 21, 2010 2:41 pm

I might be able to answer this. In asian countries, particularly South Korea, they have a sort of reverence for western culture and language, particularly english. You can make a fortune as an english teacher in South Korea. I'm not sure why this is, but a couple of my friends in highschool were foreign program students from South Korea. Canada has many such programs from a vast number of countries.

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PostSubject: Re: Oscalantine Godmoding??? [Situation Closed]   Sun Nov 21, 2010 9:50 pm

Thanks for the support and criticism guys.

I may have been out of order when I furiously ranted that EEE, and for that I gotta apologize. I was half asleep and still a bit... offended at the comments. Regardless, that is not how you passive aggressively destroy a person. I apologize for that and I gotta thank EEE for showing patience with my words.

Let's go in order....

Grace, I agree and disagree. I agree that I have been crossing the line of playing omnipotent. However, I also thought that there was plenty of places to go wrong that could cause destruction of entire RP... in the particular RP, I was putting up approx. 50k tribal people with over a million of well-trained men... with a government superpower. Any one of the missile landed on the right site would have destroyed the entire mountain and killed the 50k inside. The transmission was also because of this. If you knew immediately what the people were from Hijima and is backed by Oscal, Mr. Koh would have arrested before it was time and he wouldn't have been able to supply the people with their weapons.

In short... I had to in order to keep people hopelessly outnumbered and outgunned going... but I only did it because it is NPC country. My country will get far more hits by missiles, And my ships WILL sink. Plus you guys will come into my airspace with little resistance... my airspace is only filled with UAVS


As for English... Ras is a bit right. However, it is fair to say that I loved approx. a decade in America. I know American culture more than I do Korean, so I am technically American. =)


Oh and Civa... do you want me to make you one? Thought "Don't know" would suit your purposes.

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PostSubject: Re: Oscalantine Godmoding??? [Situation Closed]   Sun Nov 21, 2010 9:52 pm

"I don't know", would mean that I am ignorant towards this topic. I'm not. I just choose to not care about your "supposed" godmodding.
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PostSubject: Re: Oscalantine Godmoding??? [Situation Closed]   Sun Nov 21, 2010 10:14 pm

And it has been added. Have fun Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Oscalantine Godmoding??? [Situation Closed]   Sun Nov 21, 2010 10:20 pm

Oscalantine wrote:

Grace, I agree and disagree. I agree that I have been crossing the line of playing omnipotent. However, I also thought that there was plenty of places to go wrong that could cause destruction of entire RP... in the particular RP, I was putting up approx. 50k tribal people with over a million of well-trained men... with a government superpower. Any one of the missile landed on the right site would have destroyed the entire mountain and killed the 50k inside. The transmission was also because of this. If you knew immediately what the people were from Hijima and is backed by Oscal, Mr. Koh would have arrested before it was time and he wouldn't have been able to supply the people with their weapons.

In short... I had to in order to keep people hopelessly outnumbered and outgunned going... but I only did it because it is NPC country. My country will get far more hits by missiles, And my ships WILL sink. Plus you guys will come into my airspace with little resistance... my airspace is only filled with UAVS

Alright, fair enough. I guess I was just a little sore that I couldn't seem to be succesful in any of my attacks, but now that I hear your side of the story I agree. I guess just watch yourself and don't do that in a fair fight, that's all I ask.

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PostSubject: Re: Oscalantine Godmoding??? [Situation Closed]   Sun Nov 21, 2010 10:53 pm

Sorry if I did... I always have a good excuse Cool

Regardless, my army isn't invincible as I advertise to me. My national army isn't.... the best.... okay, moving on from the issue....

I will probably end the expansion RP of yours with a glorious charge... seriously, that RP was a mix of The Last Samurai and Native American myths... with Amish theme. Man! That was some good RPing!

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