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PostSubject: Education Budget and War   Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:38 am

I was thinking, maybe the Education budget could be involved in war calculations? Perhaps, the higher the Education budget, the more technologically advanced the military. The reasoning behind this would be that the Education budget presumably includes things like research and technology. So, logically, people with a higher education budget would have more advanced technologies.

I also think these types of things should be calculated based on total budget rather then percentage of GDP; a nation with a huge economy spending 13% on education might have a higher education budget then a nation with a poor economy spending 90% on education.

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PostSubject: Re: Education Budget and War   Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:06 am

You are absolutely correct...

But there is really no way for me to judge this unless I go through this in case-by-case basis...
This is because while education = smarter populous, I have hard time finding evidence that education = better research, for there is bound to be someone being educated...

Take for instance North Korea... somehow they are getting closer and closer to ICBM when their education budget is focused on ONE university.

So here's my suggestion:

I am all too willing to put cost on all the research. Like what I said to some nations when they wanted ridiculous research. So... if you want ICBM, you have to reserve certain amount of cash from your budget... half from defense and half from education. Other cases of non-military tech, like... medication for anti-pandemic cases... there should be solely driven from education budget. I also say that % of education budget should be used not as restriction, but just how long will certain research work out. I can classify each research, and put forth some kind of calculation where education % matters in how long does a country take to research certain tech.[/b]

I know this is a pain, to think that certain country that is so poor but have 90% on edu will get things done faster, but there is also a cost factor... in a way that I'll be sure to put a price on every invention... I guess I should start on revising the rules soon... this, with a few more rules, should be being added soon (along with territory cost law that was debated before)

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PostSubject: Re: Education Budget and War   Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:50 am

ICBMs aren't exactly cutting-edge. They've been around for decades. Why can't we assume we already have them? I doubt Rasvidi would be making their first one now. I know Isis has had them. I like to think EEE made some in more prosperous times.

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PostSubject: Re: Education Budget and War   Fri Jan 14, 2011 10:00 am

Ugh...

EEE, ICBM, or intercontinental Ballistic Missiles... are not something as common to the world as computers. They ARE high tech... if you want to know more about them, visit Wiki for more details.

Another good example of technology that has been known for decades but we have yet to have it widespread is launching stations. Those platforms are in VERY few countries, and any new country launching their own rockets to space as a sign of their cutting-edge technology... and the crap has been out for probably longer than ICBM itself. Technology might be there, but who would share them? We are all stuck reinventing the wheels unless there is a mutual support within nations.

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PostSubject: Re: Education Budget and War   Fri Jan 14, 2011 7:13 pm

Hmm, Osc, I was assuming that the education budget also includes information and technology and research and stuff, not just funding for schools. There isn't any analogy for a "technology" or "research" budget in NSecon stats, other then the education budget. So I was thinking more like technology development then actual education or schooling.

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PostSubject: Re: Education Budget and War   Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:27 am

Rasvidi wrote:
Hmm, Osc, I was assuming that the education budget also includes information and technology and research and stuff, not just funding for schools. There isn't any analogy for a "technology" or "research" budget in NSecon stats, other then the education budget. So I was thinking more like technology development then actual education or schooling.
I agree with Ras. All of our education budgets definitely include universities, the source of innovation. Just look at the sheer number of patents UW-Madison cranks out.

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PostSubject: Re: Education Budget and War   Sat Jan 15, 2011 1:31 am

Erm... Have you both read my suggestion? Well... Maybe I put this is quasi-confusing writing...

What I was indicating was that you are right in that edu should work also as research. But I was a bit disheartened to say that cash=everything. That would mean that Isis can get orbital death rays while E is left with WWII weapons. That I'd why I said that edu should double as research time shortener using the % of edu instead of actual cost. This way, nations that have dedicated more to the budget will still get benefits even when that are not big, and big nations with huge economy can get what they want by purchasing the research with edu budget.

I said def budget b/c many projects actually are done in military before they are commercialized. First computer? Military. First Internet? Military. So I thought it was logical to be able to purchase these research via half def budget as well.

Another note... Edu budget is under or funding univ projects, but majority is for public schools and other types of gov-run edu programs. I believe drivers license is also part of edu budget... Or I may be wrong.

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PostSubject: Re: Education Budget and War   Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:43 am

Well, let's be realistic. In the real world, an economy like E's would only have WW2 weapons, and a country like Isis Rakael (US or Soviet Union) would have the most advanced weapons.

However, E's economy has not always been this bad. A nation does not automatically lose it's weapons or previous technologies the second it's economy goes down the toilet. E had a decent economy before now, and as a result should still have decent remnants from the military he had at that time.

So money kind of is everything, both in the real world and in NationStates. Money really does make the world go 'round.

Now if you're talking about intangibles like human happiness, then sure, money might not mean everything...

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PostSubject: Re: Education Budget and War   Sat Jan 15, 2011 6:50 am

I like.... I really like this idea...

of course, the inventions will need to be RPed. But as for any invention, I am willing to go with "investing" the invention. This can be either from your edu budget (for civil projects) or def and edu budget (for military projects). I say that cost for each invention will be... more or less set whenever the interest rises.

And since public school and stuff is difficult to calculate atm... you guys are quite right: I say that edu budget's $$$ factor will be mostly used for research budget. Let's just say that there is completely different one for public school and other educational fundings. That way we can just use edu budget for how much you have to research.

I won't, however, make the nations pay for inventions already done. It is so stressful and rather vexing for me and the nations that invented things beforehand.

This won't be mandatory, but the nations that already have inventions... can we all put a prices on our own inventions as well as amount of time that it took for us to invent? And let's all be realistic... oh and the time will be shortened depending on edu time anyways... so don't be afraid to put 10 year project, as with enough edu, they can shorten that to some extent.



Like for instance... Thermal Laser tech that I have HAVE to cost in the trillions as well as taking a good decade to invent. The reason why I say this is because when Oscal first came to be as a nation... that's forever ago, it seems like... we have ridiculous education budget for awhile... like 20% or something. I think we managed to shorten the time and was able to afford trillions of cash over a few installments over few years... along with help from def budget, since thermal laser was planned as weapon.

I'll have some kind of rule made in order to cover all this, plus the calculations. I'll give definitive answers to all my inventions... but can everyone else that have invented something also give what they have? (Like Grace's space projects and Ras's stealth tech.)

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